2nd world war..

[LEM]

If the hitler took the control of all of the world all all people on the earth would be nazi omg

[Piurek]

yes it will be disaster to hol world ???its goo that usa dont attack german with atomic rockets

[Rebel]

LEM said:

If the hitler took the control of all of the world all all people on the earth would be nazi omg

you forget they can't be nazi then. if every1 is nazi no1 is able to be putten down. so.. it might sound strange but if hitler took control over the world we might have been off better (its a if you never now). no more discrimination. every1 is nazi. no more racisme. every1 is a nazi.

of course it do is a terible way of getting ther.


*edit* ow and biggest point at school only 1 language

*edit2* for the point I am NOT a freaking nazi. it's just a small opinion because i just hate the way it would come to it

[SilentVoice]

Rebel said:

you forget they can't be nazi then. if every1 is nazi no1 is able to be putten down. so.. it might sound strange but if hitler took control over the world we might have been off better (its a if you never now). no more discrimination. every1 is nazi. no more racisme. every1 is a nazi.

of course it do is a terible way of getting ther.


*edit* ow and biggest point at school only 1 language

*edit2* for the point I am NOT a freaking nazi. it's just a small opinion because i just hate the way it would come to it

Hey Rebel I thought u were gone

[m4st3r]

What really annoys me about the 2nd World War is the way the Americans portray it in films. They make British people look like pompous twats, and the Americans saved the day (Or they make it look like THEY won the war on their own! ) It really pisses me off. They weren't alone in the war, they didn't do that much compared to what some other countries did. A lot of other countries sacrificed a hell of a lot more of what they had to help in the war. Respect to THEM.

[SilentVoice]

Yeah American werent even in that war until their Pearl HArbor went sky high, Yey today we see them as the war ending heroes.Look at some axamples.In ,,Band of borthers" almost all of em are Americans as soldiers.In our fav game ET besdie the ,,Allies" we can see the American flag.Any of these British,Old Ygoslavia,Poland and countrys around those did 100 times more than Americans did in the whole war.

[Rebel]

SilentVoice said:

Yeah American werent even in that war until their Pearl HArbor went sky high,

it's just how the american's alway's react. just look at how the war against terrorists starts: wtc. they never start a war or help other country's before they are attacked.

[JNK]

America didn´t even fought in theyre own country. So they can nuke as much as they can . And nobody was homeless in USA, because nobody bombed USA.
USA thinks that they was the best allied country, allthought British soldiers were even better with Sten´s and Bren´s . And without British soldiers D-Day would be disaster.

[JNK]

SilentVoice said:

In our fav game ET besdie the ,,Allies" we can see the American flag.Any of these British,Old Ygoslavia,Poland and countrys around those did 100 times more than Americans did in the whole war.

I can play that Axis are finnish soldiers, because finnish soldiers got same helmet with Germany .

[m4st3r]

JNK said:

I can play that Axis are finnish soldiers, because finnish soldiers got same helmet with Germany .

Oh WOW! That's really interesting, I never knew that. would been hard for Germans fighting Fins then...., lots of teamkills

[ironman]

SilentVoice said:

Yeah American werent even in that war until their Pearl HArbor went sky high, Yey today we see them as the war ending heroes.Look at some axamples.In ,,Band of borthers" almost all of em are Americans as soldiers.In our fav game ET besdie the ,,Allies" we can see the American flag.Any of these British,Old Ygoslavia,Poland and countrys around those did 100 times more than Americans did in the whole war.

yeah they are good in public relations and how to promote stuff (them selves mostly)

[JNK]

In the end of the 'Finnish WW II' we had to push german soldiers (former fellows) out of Finland for peace, because we had bad situation with Soviets. It´s called Lappi´s war (in Finland) .

[JNK]

In the end of the 'Finnish WW II' we had to push german soldiers (former fellows) out of Finland for peace, because we had bad situation with Soviets. It´s called Lappi´s war (in Finland) .

[JNK]

ironman said:

ermmmm not if the Fins were on Axis side that would explain the german helmets ...wouldt it , or they may have had nutrality

Fins had the 'Axis helmet' also in the Winterwar, before we were allies with Germany.

[Piurek]

SilentVoice said:

Yeah American werent even in that war until their Pearl HArbor went sky high, Yey today we see them as the war ending heroes.Look at some axamples.In ,,Band of borthers" almost all of em are Americans as soldiers.In our fav game ET besdie the ,,Allies" we can see the American flag.Any of these British,Old Ygoslavia,Poland and countrys around those did 100 times more than Americans did in the whole war.

You have fucking right Silent other countrys make a lot of more in war but Usa is Usa and they lost their citys homes :-*and all the worse >:(grrrrrr

[Piurek]

O and i know how many Poland people die in 2nd war 5 mln people and soliders i dont know

[cheesecake]

In history (which i love!!) we are studying the road to war (all the events in the 1930's that lead to the war) and the hoshbach memorandum is the only piece of evendence (written by one of Hitlers general in a private meeting) that proves Hitler had a timetable for war. First Hitler remileterised the Rhine land (land between France and Germany, lost by Germany from the treaty of versailles at the end of the 1st world war) Britain had a policy of appeasment and felt that Hitler was just taking back what Germany lost to the treaty. Hitler then used the German population (3million) in Austria as an excuse to join Germany and Austria together ( the anschluss) this however was against the Treaty of versailles. Hitler then wanted the Sudten land in czechslovakia(the three Munich meetings) Once Hitler had the sudten land he wanted the part of Poland that seperated East Pussia from Germany. This is when the Brittish droped there policy of appeasment (because hitler wanted to spread east to russia to create a bigger empire for Germany) and declaired war with Germany on the 3rd September 1939.

[JNK]

That´s why Finland had war with Soviet Union.
But we defend our land in Winterwar. In year 1941 we fought another war with soviets, but that is long story.

History is good subject, but I don´t have it enymore.

[Zecristo]

Human conflict, be it on a personal level, or a war between countries, is always regretable, always leaves destruction behind, and generates no profit at all for those directly involved.

In what concerns wars, no matter how insane or mindless political leaders who seem to take the decisions may be, the fact remains that the only ones profiting are the big industrialists involved in providing guns, ammunition, equipment, raw materials, food supplies, for the "war effort". Hitler would have never assumed political power if some german very big industrialists and Army and Navy high ranking officers hadn't help him with money and influence.
And rest assured there will be no peace on this planet until all good will people unite to rid it of that kind of people; permanently.

Portugal remained neutral during WW II by decision of our own dictator, Oliveira Salazar, which ruled along almost the same lines as Hitler, Mussolini, and others throughout Europe, and ,actually, by secret request from England based on the existence of an old Treaty between the two countries. In fact, it´s the oldest Treaty between two countries still in existence, at least in Europe if not the whole World.
The english thought that the portuguese wouldn't stand a chance against the Axis Powers (with the possible help of our neighbours the spanish whose dictator Franco was in debt with for their help during Spain's civil war back in the 1930's), and that they, english, were in no position (especially after France's surrender) to lend a hand themselves.
In short, there was a great risk around 1940 that Hitler would get the portuguese Azores Islands in the Atlantic Ocean, halfway between Europe and America, and thus an invaluable naval base to pursue the submarine blockade on England and possible further action against the USA.
Nazi Germany had a plan for the invasion of Portugal codenamed "Felix", established by the Führer's nº 18 Directive.
Also the Allies prepared plans for the invasion of Portugal´s Atlantic Islands.
As it turned out, Oliveira Salazar not only succeeded in keeping Portugal neutral but, through diplomatic talks with Spain's Franco, seems to have contributed to keep Spain neutral too. This may have help to close Nazi Germany's and Fascist Italy's way into the Atlantic Ocean and further on to America.
In the end, the only warlike action in "portuguese" territory took place in another ocean, at the then half portuguese, half dutch, island of Timor.
It ocurred when japanese troops invaded the island in response to a movement of dutch and australian troops entering the portuguese side of the island to "protect" it. They ruled with some brutality and only left after Japan's surrender.

Life in Portugal was affected by the war.
There were shortages of some kinds of food and other supplies, because they were taken by the warrying nations.
On the other hand Portugal happily sold volframium (a somewhat rare metal which was used to make airplanes at the time) and canned fish to nations on both sides of the conflict.
Of course, (on european Portugal) no one was killed or lost property and there was no persecution of the jews (during WW II, although there was some of that a few centuries ago).

Portugal got in a war later in the 1960's over possession of colonies in Africa against various local liberation movements sponsored by both the USA and the USSR.
The final list of portuguese fatal casualties was about 5000 (I think) when the war ended after a military revolution in 1974 which brought a democratic regime and negotiations with the liberation movements for independence.
There are probably no accurate lists of casualties on the side of the liberation movements.
Land-mines were extensively used and even today there are many accidents involving mines from that conflict and from following ones in Angola and Mozambique between the factions supported by USA and USSR. Those last conflicts were only brought to an end by the turning of the century or shortly after.
The last vestiges of Colonial Portugal disappeared in or around the turning into the XXI century with the restitution of Macau to China after peaceful talks and the independence of Timor (now Loro Sae) from Portugal. However Portugal had no presence in Timor since 1974 because Indonesia, a country created from former dutch colonies including the western half of the island, decided to invade by order of the USA to prevent instalation of a "communist" regime. Timorese lived almost 30 years under a brutal occupation regime which ended with a bloodbath after an election about independence received 80% yes votes.

So don't go on wars.
Otherwise, someone like me will show up and write the story of your wars and if you start reading it you will never be able to finish.
Not on time for diner anyway.

As to the initial topic by Gen. Ironman.
I have what I think to be a very great number of documentaries (and a few movies) on the subject of war, some bought in shops, and some taped from TV.
One of these days I may publish a list.
Very few images in colour though.
Actually, many footage we see in documentaries in B&W were originally shot in colour but shown in B&W at the time (and even afterwards) in order precisely not to impress the public.

[flying]

Zecristo said:

[...]

So, don't go to war.

Otherwise, someone like me will show up and write the story of your wars and if you start reading it you will never be able to finish.

Not on time for diner anyway.

[...]

See?

And you guys said that my post were long... They are dwarves in comparison to Zecristo's!


Ok, just a couple of things I'd like to add from memory, concerning Portugal and war:

a) Volframium (or wolfram, a mineral ore containing what is better know nowadays as tungsten) was particularly valuable because it was a vital element to the metal alloys used for extra-strong armour, and extra-strong cannon barrels. Being neutral means you can sell to both sides, and some of the payments received from Germany for canned sardines, can foil, volframium, foodstuffs, etc. were actually made in what is now known as Jewish gold, melted into swastika-branded gold ingots... Of course, Lisbon was a nest of spies, as it was perhaps the single most important free sea-port available to those wishing to leave (or enter...) Europe at the time. On a lighter note, some canned sardines manufactured still in the 1930's by the portuguese company Ramirez (current market leader) were found in the mid-1950's in WW2-era bunkers in Germany and, when returned to the manufacturer as a curiosity and opened for quality control statistics, were still edible...

b) I can't remember exactly in which year, but the then Portuguese consul Aristides Sousa Mendes at some town in the South of France (Bordeaux?) actually saved the lives of a few thousand Jewish individuals, as well as whole families, by stamping visas on the passports of all and any war refugees that asked for his help, thus allowing them to safely cross the French/Spanish/Portuguese sequence of land borders. They otherwise would have been deported to Concentration Camps, surely to die. When those refugees didn't have any documents at all, he actually issued them Portuguese passports and, when he ran out of those, he even used plain pieces of paper which he signed and stamped to full legal value and -- or so the story goes -- he even did so on the back of empty matchboxes. Obviously, that was the end of his carrier as a diplomat; he was quickly called back to Lisbon, was fired from his job and lost all priviledges, having died a poor and disgraced men... What did you expect?!

c) In the african "colonial war" (1962-74), the portuguese army sent to fight over-seas actually used WW2 german MG42 machine-guns, highly praised and appreciated by soldiers over the american M60, which wasn't anywhere as good. MG42s, even if in their modernized MG3 versions, are still used nowadays by portuguese police forces in Iraq, as vehicle-mounted machine-guns. I was shocked to see a TV news report the other day, where they were showing the new portuguese-built semi-armoured personell carrier vehicles that Portugal was sending along with its "policemen" to be integrated with the Italian forces in Bassourá. The profile of an MG42 is unmistakable, and for some reason I rofl'ed when I saw a machine gun of such familiar, old design mounted on that brand new personell carrier, behind the reporter and the young guy he was interviewing... As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, dont fix it!"


I have bought a great book about light-weapons used in the portuguese armed forces, from 1850's english-made Enfield single-shot rifles to 1990's swiss-made SIG SturmGewehr SG543 assault rifles, and I'll make some posts on the correct topic -- hopefully I'll be able to scan and add the pictures, which are great!