What was the kick for really?

[Frosty]

Ok, I believe the matter has been resolved, although I never got my aswer.

[Moutanche]

hi frosty
the guy who kiked you was an admin.
and if you have been kiked it's because you break our rules.
So think about what you can have made to be kiked ( except the fact that admins abuse their power, you are innocent..................................................

[Frosty]

Thanks for the response. I just read your server rules and noticed that the only one who broke your rules was the admin in question by being disrespectful, but I really don't care about that, nor do I care about being kicked. I just found it rather odd that he would kick after only saying "I don't like the way you play", especially when no one else seemed to have a problem with me.

I think we're done here unless some one has something to add. Thanks for your time.

[Moutanche]

you have to understand one thing: it's not everyone who can become admin.
you have to break the rule, lot of time, so you'll be admin.
and the guy who kik you is an admin with a high level wich mean that he always break our rules.
Life is so injust sometime...

[toppahousu]

First of all wellcome to our forum frosty

I happen to know what was the reason for your kick.....it is called killermedic if u konw what i mean

U had been playing a long time way ahead from your team so unable to heal your teammates even they asks for it

U came back changed your playing style and u wasnt kicked.....funny that doesnt say anyting to you

Thats all i can say cause i came to server same time as u did second time

[Frosty]

moutanche said:

you have to understand one thing: it's not everyone who can become admin.
you have to break the rule, lot of time, so you'll be admin.
and the guy who kik you is an admin with a high level wich mean that he always break our rules.
Life is so injust sometime...

So you're saying that the admins can break the rules that they themselves are there to uphold? That's just stupid. Why should an admin be disrespectful and otherwise unhelpful in order to do his job?

U had been playing a long time way ahead from your team so unable to heal your teammates even they asks for it

I'd like to know how the admin in question knows this while being on the other team. He did spec me for about a minute, but all in all that doesn't really mean anything. Plus my team, when asked by the admin, said that I was a good medic.

U came back changed your playing style and u wasnt kicked.....funny that doesnt say anyting to you

How could it? When I came back I didn't change anything, for I did not know what I was doing wrong at the time nor would any one tell me. The fact that I might have played differently probably had to do with the map and the situation my team was in.

I apologize if any of that sounds impolite.

[Ricardus]

Hello Frosty.

Let me say firstly; you are a good player of the game. You are fast and you shoot very accurately.

You are wrong however when you say that nobody else had a problem with what you were doing. I was communicating 'behind the scenes' with the other clan guys and; they too had a problem with your 'playing style' but; you weren't to know that.

The basic problem we have with your 'style' is that it is not conducive to teamplay; which is what we most enjoy about this game. Let me give you an example. If you are a medic who stays with his team and supports them while they perform some important task; fine. A good example of this kind of play is on 'fuel dump' where it is sometimes vital for engineers to build the bridge. Medics can play an important role in assisting this gameplay.

However I 'spectated' you for around 7 minutes and most of what I saw you do was spawn, run out towards the enemy, engage them in one on ones win (predominantly because you were medic with 800+ XP) get more ammo hang around places (chokepoints) where they would appear kill them.

Now, whilst this is great fun and shows what an accurate and fast player you are (at least compared to someone who isnt playing as a medic and has far less xp) it doesn't actually help your team anywhere near as much as you'd think. For example; when its obvious that you need an engineer in order to prevent the enemy from achieving an objective (like defusing dynamite at barriers) a medic is of limited use. If the medic is healing an engineer who is trying to defuse dynamite (for example) that is one thing. If he is simply running out to kill enemies; that's another altogether.

So, after 5 or 6 maps of you playing exclusively as a medic. Operating so far in front of your team that you can be of practically no use to them you got kicked.

Now; I'm not saying that this kind of thing is wrong. We just don't like it here because it spoils it for your team. There are plenty of servers out there where everyboday plays as a medic all the time. I suggest that if that's the kind of play you're into (1st person shootemup Quake arena kind of stuff) then play on one of those. If you want to play here, have a bit more respect for the objectives and what your team need etc.

Personally, I think its one of the drawbacks or 'design flaws' of this game that the medic is the hardest class to kill. This is why spawncampers, non-teamplayers etc. are immediately drawn to this class. I think that's why you too a drawn to it. Because you know that its easier to kill as a medic and, pretty much, that's all you're here to do.

I think you understand where I/We are coming from.

Ricardus

[tailgunner]

Even tho i wasent in that game, im sure Frosty will do anything for hes team. I have been playing with him few years now, and he plays what ever class needed to win the map. Hes good shot, but what makes him a good player is that he plays for the team and objective.

-Tailgunner-

[Frosty]

I understand the whole not helping your team part, and if I did so, I apologize.

I tend to get like that when the gameplay is more laid back and not so intense. Furthermore, the reason why I was playing medic to begin with was because no one else would.

But this still doesn't negate the fact that no one would tell me to change my playing style. All I got was a "fuck off" from the admins, which sure as hell doesn't make me respect them.

And as Tailgunner pointed out, I'm all for teamplay. I loathe those servers where everyone is just fragging one another. Playing on TL - which is by far the most objective oriented server I've ever seen - for a few years made me understand that sort of gameplay.

[Moutanche]

ok frosty
i resume
we don't like killer medic
we don't like xpwhore
we don't like guys who just play for themselves
so play as we like or leave
really simple

[Frosty]

moutanche said:

ok frosty
i resume
we don't like killer medic
we don't like xpwhore
we don't like guys who just play for themselves
so play as we like or leave
really simple

I got that from the last post, thank you very much.

Just a little notification before a kick is all I ask.

[.x.x.x.]

Frosty believe me after all those years of warning, explaining an bitching to somebody, you really and i mean really get fed up whit it.

An admins job is mainly to observe the players on the servers warn them, explain things to them and all the other stuff we have to do.
Our personal enjoyment comes in last....
Now u should understand by our experience of warning and bitching to every noob/rambo/killermed/xpwhore... that comes in our server w8 actually we are flooded whit them everyday....
We have to take at lest 5 minuts to explain to them what are they doing wrong.

U realize that when u ask someone to play nicer or by the rules 90% of the people either don't want to or they "fuck u off" and continue whit their obscured game play.

Now ( i hope ) u see from where we (admin's) have the tendency to kick people whit no real explanation.

Anyways i could write a book here, but i think u get the picture....

[Ricardus]

Ok Frosty - level playing field again. I think we understand each other. Bear in mind. We get shitloads of these killer medic wankers on these servers every day. Every day they spoil the frigging game.

Tailgunner - I trust your judgement because I rate you as a very good player. Good all round and good team player. Frosty must've been having an 'off day' because he played as medic for about 10 maps solid, mostly operating far forward of his own team. I personally didn't see him do anything to play for the objective other than kill as many allies as possible. At one point he had around 1000XP and only 2 medic stars yet he'd operated as a medic the whole time. I think that nearly puts him in the same league as the odious Dragonflame, Foley and others.

The thing is; this shit just gets boring. Any of us can get up to 1000XP pretty quick, play as medic, own other players but.... lose the map. The originators of this game should NEVER have made the medic practically invincible. I really believe that if the medic didnt possess those 'warped' qualities then Frosty would never have spent so much time playing as one.

Operating alone as a killer medic can sometimes really fuck your team up. A good example was the 'Caen' map, where operating alone - far in advance as allied medic can be unwise since - if the axis are any good - they will get your uniform and fuck your team. What was Frosty doing on this map?....Have a guess.

Ric

[Frosty]

Ok, let's just settle this now.

U realize that when u ask someone to play nicer or by the rules 90% of the people either don't want to or they "fuck u off" and continue whit their obscured game play.

Now ( i hope ) u see from where we (admin's) have the tendency to kick people whit no real explanation.

I know what you mean, I have been there myself. But the admins should still have the courtesy to ask even once. What comes after is up to the admin. If they're too fed up to do their job, they shouldn't be admins.

Frosty must've been having an 'off day'

It was my first time playing in like six months, so I does take a while to get used to playing again.

I understand that I might have not been the best teamplayer at the time, but still the fact remains that when I asked the admin what I was doing wrong, he did not reply. I must have asked the same thing like ten times and still no answer. Just before the kick he said " I don't like what I'm seeing, bye". That sort of behavior is just stupid any way you look at it.

Now, let's just put this thing behind us. We both made mistakes, let's just leave it at that.

[Moutanche]

my god frosty it's just a kik
Do you want to know how much time i've been kiked in the begening i played here?? More than 35.
i've made all the mistakes that you can imagine and lot of more.
shit can happen to everyone. But a kik is not a ban.
and as if some admins are less patient than others, i've never seen an admin who kik someone without reasons.
you have been kiked, it's not the end of the world.
stop to arg about that.
when we kik someone it's not for pleasure but just to say to the player who is kiked: be careful you've made a mistake.
nothing else

[Frosty]

moutanche said:

my god frosty it's just a kik
Do you want to know how much time i've been kiked in the begening i played here?? More than 35.
i've made all the mistakes that you can imagine and lot of more.
shit can happen to everyone. But a kik is not a ban.
and as if some admins are less patient than others, i've never seen an admin who kik someone without reasons.
you have been kiked, it's not the end of the world.
stop to arg about that.
when we kik someone it's not for pleasure but just to say to the player who is kiked: be careful you've made a mistake.
nothing else

:sigh:
Did you read any of my posts? I said I don't care about the kick. And as I said earlier:

Now, let's just put this thing behind us. We both made mistakes, let's just leave it at that.

[gespstylo]

ok its settled but i want one little answer

when ybf insulted you for KILLERMED, you must have realised you were playing with fire and that, if you continued with being med, you'd be on the brim of a kick... you had quite some hints before they actually kicked you
just play team (and like ric said in its last post, you did gj) and no more kicks