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Post by ironman on Feb 13, 2005 16:17:09 GMT 1
Will america ever catch bin laden?
well waht do you all think? will they ever get bin laden..
i dont think so. but that is just my opiniun..
i think them americans are full of sjit..
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Post by Ricardus on Feb 13, 2005 16:52:34 GMT 1
I doubt whether they are even remotely interested in catching Bin Laden. In fact 'catching' him would probably not do them much good since they would have to scale back the bogus 'war on terror' (and people would expect them to) and that is something they do not want to do while they can use it as a convenient excuse to do whatever they please.
Ricardus
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 13, 2005 17:29:26 GMT 1
Even if they wanted to their empire is goint fall before they even locate him  |
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Post by ironman on Feb 13, 2005 19:30:27 GMT 1
I doubt whether they are even remotely interested in catching Bin Laden. In fact 'catching' him would probably not do them much good since they would have to scale back the bogus 'war on terror' (and people would expect them to) and that is something they do not want to do while they can use it as a convenient excuse to do whatever they please. Ricardus can i get a amen .. Amen i hear u there, and it is true.. there whole bogus war would fall to pieces if u ask me they arent even makign much of a effort to catch him. for example: everythign will go down in america.. all funds are beign withdrawn from all things accept 2 things 1) militairy they will get 2 billion more for ther ebudget 2) Homeland security (dont know how much more they will get) |
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Post by Ricardus on Feb 13, 2005 20:57:19 GMT 1
Just a little note that may interest you on Military spending generally. Bear with me, its worth it.
In the 1930's, it was pretty obvious to everyone that the 'free market' didn't work. That's what caused the global economic downturn (sometimes referred to as the 'great depression') and precipitated the 2nd world war. The reason for this crisis was pretty clear. In an un-restrained market, when large numbers of workers are made redundant or fired, they can no longer buy the commodities produced by other workers so they too are thrown on the scrapheap. In their turn, they too can no longer buy commodities produced by yet other workers... and so on. The spiral of destruction is hard to stop (even impossible)
In the 40's, the British economist John Maynard Keynes (after whom the British Town Milton-Keynes is 1/2 named, the other half being the American economist Milton Friedman) developed a 'monetary' theory which basically stated that the government needs to spend money on things in order to 'stimulate' the economy. He even said that it didn't matter what it was (He suggested digging holes in the ground and filling them in again) as long as the people got some money in their pocket to buy commodities with.
Now, here's the interesting bit. After the 2nd World War, people began to think about what they could spend 'social spending stimulus' on. In Europe, they pretty much came to the conclusion that they could do useful stuff with it like build roads, hospitals, social housing and so on (this was largely because large areas of Europe had been destroyed) The argument went something like this. When we have a downturn, we can build loads of stuff (borrow the money if necessary) and we can build stuff which will be useful in human society. This will keep people in work, give them money and they will spend it on other peoples commodities. We can then pay back the borrowing when the upturn is established.
Iin America though the argument went the other way. They decided that their spending stimulus would be entirely spent on 'defence' This is why they have enough military ordnance to kill all life (not just human - EVERYTHING) 212 time over (you would've thought once would be enough) The added bonus about military spending, for them, is that it is a 'free gift' to high tech industry (For example, commercial aircraft research and development were almost entirely funded by the US taxpayers spend on hugh boeing aircraft (huge defence contract - huge commercial spinoff) The added benefit of Keynsian social spending on defence is that there is no democratic control of it. If you try to build social housing, or hospitals (for example) people (me and you) want a say in it. Sometimes they form grassroots groups to influence this. When you spend it on defence (Starwars for example) no-one gives a shit. No one cares whether they spend it on Jet X or Jet Y so - US Taxpayers money, spent on their behalf on something they have no control over which only makes the world a more dangerous place for us all.
Crazy fucking world or what?
Ricardus
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Post by ironman on Feb 13, 2005 21:18:15 GMT 1
its funny you should say : digg holes and fill them up again..
ok bare with me on this...
after the 2nd world war.. the Netherlands was broke and no one had work..
to prevent people that made a fortune in the war by selling goods 200 times for what they are worth they declared all money none valid anymore..
everyone in the Netherlands got 10 bucks, unless you could proof you had money before the war then you would get that too..
now becos we all didt have a job and the country (just like u sayed) went in a down ward spiral (and fast too) the goverment diceided to step in adn they came up with a couple of plans..
one of them was to buildt new canals by hand ( and i assure u we had the machines to do it) but they wanted as many people on the job as possible..
the other thing we did was throw so much earth and dirt into our sea that it wasnt a sea anymore ( the southern inland sea) now there are all houses there and u cant even see it was once a sea..
also after wordl war one a guy (i forgot hes name) came up with a great plan, called the golden standard wich sayed that for each guilder there mus tbe a X amound of gold, so that each guilder is garantueed its value...
that is how our country managed to buildt it self up and becoem one (if not the) richest countries in europe..
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Post by Ricardus on Feb 13, 2005 22:42:01 GMT 1
I'm aware of this. Actually its not very well understood outside the Netherlands just how deprived and terrible conditions were there. Famine and plague were endemic. The Netherlands really suffered badly during this period.
Ricardus
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Post by ironman on Feb 13, 2005 23:55:01 GMT 1
I'm aware of this. Actually its not very well understood outside the Netherlands just how deprived and terrible conditions were there. Famine and plague were endemic. The Netherlands really suffered badly during this period. Ricardus we did.. half my family was whiped out... about 100.000 "other people" for one reason or the other.. more then 500.000 jews were killed... My grandma was a Knighted by the queen for her work in the resistance, she got invited to all the best parties and stuff lol my grandpa was always freaking proud hehehehe even after the war when she was in her 80's and she saw a car with german plates in her street she would scratch the paint and stuff.. she really hated them.. once she was caught by the cops and they had some liek..ermmm well shes 80 years old , ermmm she is a officer, knighted by the queen... and it is a german,,,,, lets not.... hehehehe |
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 14, 2005 3:14:27 GMT 1
Hell no I aint readin all that,I dont care that much about Laden and America relations  |
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Post by ironman on Feb 14, 2005 3:15:57 GMT 1
Hell no I aint readin all that,I dont care that much about Laden and America relations hey we are back on topic hehe damn.. but do u think thy ever catch him?? |
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 14, 2005 3:23:26 GMT 1
Well I voted no so what Im thinkin is ....No |
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Post by ironman on Feb 14, 2005 3:55:17 GMT 1
Well I voted no so what Im thinkin is ....No why not dude.. why wont they catch him... give us your view on this..  |
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 14, 2005 4:12:45 GMT 1
Even if they wanted to their empire is goint fall before they even locate him The places where he hides ,searching for him would be like looking for a needle in hay stack(No really those guys can build tunells and hide in jungles etc etc).It would be hard to find him even with google |
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Post by ironman on Feb 14, 2005 4:14:33 GMT 1
The places where he hides ,searching for him would be like looking for a needle in hay stack(No really those guys can build tunells and hide in jungles etc etc).It would be hard to find him even with google yeah been thinking the exact same thing, them guys are hiding in the some of the worlds most un acceseble terrain in caves and serounded by people who are willing to die for him.. also they move arround a lot.. they know what kind of things the americans have like sateliets and stuff.. and besides all that Bin laden is a VERY rich man he can buy anything or anyone.. |
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Post by Libby on Feb 14, 2005 7:08:04 GMT 1
yeah been thinking the exact same thing, them guys are hiding in the some of the worlds most un acceseble terrain in caves and serounded by people who are willing to die for him.. also they move arround a lot.. they know what kind of things the americans have like sateliets and stuff.. and besides all that Bin laden is a VERY rich man he can buy anything or anyone.. if they where gonna catch him they would have by now, american just like to look big but they aint all that!!! |
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Post by Ricardus on Feb 14, 2005 19:51:04 GMT 1
BTW - those 'tunnel' complexes which Rumsfeld and others were keen to promote turned out to be preposterous inventions. The Tora Bora area was searched as thoroughly as humans can and found to contain nothing of the kind. I saw Rumsfeld on a news item with a drawing of a complex which looked like it was out of James Fucking Bond. One of them even had miniature trains running round in the bottom. Here is a link to one such representation. edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3. htm&h=635&w=565&sz=94&tbnid=lu2E- W09O_4J:&tbnh=135&tbnw=120&start=54&prev= /images%3Fq%3Dtora%2Bbora%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN Its worth reading the accompanying notes for this. There's no doubt about the fact that Bush and Blair want us to believe that there is a much bigger threat than there actually is (this allows them to pursue all sorts of rotten agendas) and the promotion of such 'tunnel complexes' is one such device for anyone familiar with the James Bond villian. Personally, I don't fall for it Ricardus |
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Post by ironman on Feb 14, 2005 20:37:29 GMT 1
BTW - those 'tunnel' complexes which Rumsfeld and others were keen to promote turned out to be preposterous inventions. The Tora Bora area was searched as thoroughly as humans can and found to contain nothing of the kind. I saw Rumsfeld on a news item with a drawing of a complex which looked like it was out of James Fucking Bond. One of them even had miniature trains running round in the bottom. hahahah that is SO typical, once someone told me: "The landing on the moon happend in a hollywood studio"... think about it.. Offcours it did happen.. but its just a indication about how far 'they" will go to keep "us" under control as masses..  |
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 15, 2005 4:39:16 GMT 1
QUOTE One small foot thingy for me,but a giant (american)flag thingy on the moon for america |
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Post by Libby on Feb 15, 2005 19:12:29 GMT 1
QUOTE One small foot thingy for me,but a giant (american)flag thingy for on the moon for america heheh Americans ;D what else can we say |
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Post by SilentVoice on Feb 16, 2005 1:38:00 GMT 1
heheh Americans ;D what else can we say Silly politcal cartoons |
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