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Post by slasher on Jun 5, 2006 20:46:16 GMT 1
First of all I like to say that I'm totally against it but sometimes I get the feeling that the "Spawnkilling zone" spreads quite a distance. Let me elaborate...  For instance on railgun, the Axis spawn is always a troublesome area. For me the spawn is the bunker and the zone up to the place where the tug is placed. I got some warnings for spawnkilling when I kill someone if I pass the wall at axis spawn. I didn't even get to tug area. I don't think this is SK at all. Next example...  On Temple if you're allies and get the tank past the first barrier, the margin between axis and allies get's very small. You can kill axis with the mounted MG when they are spawning. Is this SK? I think not, because you have to conquer that spawn by passing it with the tank. It's like taking a flag without the flag. And the last time I checked the flag spawn's are not SK area's otherwise it would totally be stupid. If the tank is past that first barrier Axis need to retreat to second barrier and not worry to much about SK. It's the same on beach... different spawn areas for allies... I could figure out some more examples but you get the point. Anyway SK just sucks because you have to wait a long time before playing again so you are encouraged to say someone is Spawnkilling but sometimes this is not the case at all. I would never SK and mention it to my team if I see someone doing it. Some clear rules to avoid this misconception: 1. You can never SK at spawn areas with a flag. 2. The spawn zone where killing someone is considered a SK should only be a limited area around the spawn. This also includes a place where you have a clean view on a spawn exit and this is the ONLY exit. But I think no spawn area has only one exit. So this should not be a problem. 3. Be fair, think what you would do if you're on the opposite side and don't start giving warnings for kills you would make yourself. If a team get's owned just switch sides and try to switch the balance... I do, most of the times... it can be fun... from time to time. So please don't call me a SK again...  |
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Post by Piurek on Jun 5, 2006 22:52:31 GMT 1
Sk is simple..
Dont shoot in sk area and spawn exit..
No mines at spawn exit no walking into spawn no nade in exit..
Just avoid spawn area and no one will call u sk.
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Post by toppahousu on Jun 6, 2006 7:15:28 GMT 1
I think that even enemy has 2 or more spawnexits still u need to keep all of them clear....or otherwise u need to make clear that certain exis is "out of order"...dont u think? And in some cases its fair to keep the hole spawnarea clear.... To conclusion if u are on winning team u hardly never whines about spawnkilling...so if someone has told u about sk i think his team hasn`t been the winning one...and if u in that case talk about fairness...were there really need to "almost" spawnkill Just an guestion  |
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Post by slasher on Jun 6, 2006 7:55:12 GMT 1
I think that even enemy has 2 or more spawnexits still u need to keep all of them clear....or otherwise u need to make clear that certain exis is "out of order"...dont u think? And in some cases its fair to keep the hole spawnarea clear.... To conclusion if u are on winning team u hardly never whines about spawnkilling...so if someone has told u about sk i think his team hasn`t been the winning one...and if u in that case talk about fairness...were there really need to "almost" spawnkill Just an guestion About you're first remark I think you're right about the exits. All of them should be clear off nades, mines, mortars, airstrikes, artillery barrage etc. In that case it would be more difficult to close a spawn area and someone can sneak behind enemy lines and do some backstabbing and free up the area. About the second one you need to understand that if you're defending around an axis spawn point, like in railgun... sometimes during a battle you get into the "Grey Zone". This doesn't happen all the time but at that moment I don't think it's fair to start giving warnings about SK. Even if my team is winning. Btw, I think we even lost that round... |
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Post by toppahousu on Jun 6, 2006 8:28:45 GMT 1
I dont know what u mean by closing spawnarea......isn`t it the object u play for instead of closing spawnarea And if u for example are drunkdriwing in "grey" area u get penalty....dont u Its the rule u brake...not the players !!! |
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Post by slasher on Jun 6, 2006 10:22:36 GMT 1
Sometimes the objective is to keep the other team from getting their objective...
By "Closing the Spawnarea" I mean: To make sure no enemy can reach their objective. So for railgun this means they can not take the tug very far... You close them down in their spawn area by killing every one that wants to get into the tug. It seems to me this is the obj for the allied team on that map. I can be wrong though.
Anyway, I'm only starting a discussion here we don't need to be hostile about it.
Sorry if I pretended to be...
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Post by toppahousu on Jun 6, 2006 12:52:41 GMT 1
Nothing hostile at all...u have good example...tho there is only one way out...so i think u should leave that entrance clear( only my opinion) If u shoot from that wall towards spawn its almost spawnkill( no shooting to spawn(area)) And u can have same effort if u dont let them open switch...i always defend switch !! Usually spawn and object are in different place and then u dont need to close to spawn.... And cause u are mature as i am we can use common sence in game... no need to be too unfair Best way avoiding situations to get called spawnkiller is to stay away from spawn and not to shoot there....i know that every map u can win without closing spawn....am i right? ps. i never ment to be hostile to you....u have misunderstood me :=) pps. u can spawnkill in flag spawn too.....u shoot there without meaning to capture flag.... |
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Post by slasher on Jun 6, 2006 13:13:00 GMT 1
You are right about defending the switch but the margin untill they get to the depot is a lot smaller. Once they brake through the switch and you have to wait untill respawn the first stage is lost. You can always defend the depot off course... maybe that's even better. I'll give that a try. Btw it's easier to kill everyone around a spawn flag before you enter... otherwise your just a sitting duck.  |
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Post by toppahousu on Jun 6, 2006 14:43:18 GMT 1
Btw it's easier to kill everyone around a spawn flag before you enter... otherwise your just a sitting duck. Yes and its ok to do so....i meant peoples who for ex shoot to spawn with no intentions to enter there and take the flag....i guess that u know the type |
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Post by slasher on Jun 7, 2006 8:16:16 GMT 1
I guess I was playing you yesterday evening, logged in as 'Guest' After having our discussion on the forum I have only the following to say: This post was not to whine about anything... it's just a discussion and I thought this forum was open for discussion. It seems not so I regret to have mentioned this topic here. If you really think I'm an unfair player than so be it. Then my guess is I'm not the right material to be in this clan. Sorry it didn't work out. |
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Post by toppahousu on Jun 7, 2006 9:12:26 GMT 1
I guess I was playing you yesterday evening, logged in as 'Guest' After having our discussion on the forum I have only the following to say: This post was not to whine about anything... it's just a discussion and I thought this forum was open for discussion. It seems not so I regret to have mentioned this topic here. If you really think I'm an unfair player than so be it. Then my guess is I'm not the right material to be in this clan. Sorry it didn't work out. I was there..sure This forum is free for discussion...and topic is free For me it wasnt really a big thing that mining....but my teammate was telling me how unfair teams were...and he didnt see the mines Sure the game is for the winning...and mines are one of the best ways to defend All i tried to tell u that for sure u could win the map without mines too....and that way it would have felt a little more fair....dont u think And if i read between lines your former texts there is the thing that u think its unfair too big spawn area that we are talking about Only one word we are talking about UNFAIR So for me u should show your fairness and the lets talk about unfair things...isnt it logical |
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