earthquake in pakistan

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konrad said:

jowex said:

ERM... DO YOU THINK IT'S KAMIKAZE PILOT WHO DIED ?? idiot, when you see a dead arab person who is 10 years old, you're happy...pffff it's repugnant what you said...

Konrad, Cheese, Silent, you are absolutely right: if you want to hate someone, hate everyone, not just 1 ethnic group.

Jowex, I suggest you move to one of the "bad areas" of your country, and try to kill as many of your country's enemies as you can. It is, after all, your patriotic duty...

But anyway, Jowex, if you wish death to all Muslims (babies, children, women, men, old people), you are showing me that you personally, as a representative of the Jew people, learned nothing from the WW2 Holocaust.

It's that kind of attitude (rejoicing from the death of helpless civilian populations) that keeps the Middle-East in a state of permanent hatred.

And I really don't care if you are a Jew or a Christian, or a Muslim -- shrapnel doesn't really care about religion either, it just guts children in an equalitarian way, regardless of which temple their parents go to worship.

Now, what worries me about the Israelis is that they can't just kill Palestinians quietly: they want the rest of the World to take their side too...

Anyway, if Israel is such a bad place to live, why don't Jews as a whole just buy themselves a nice corner of the world to live in?! It's not as if the international Jewish nation is poor, you know?

But the main question is: where would the Jewish people be living today if the Brits hadn't broken their word to the Arabs and "given" the Jews that piece of Arab land after WW2?

I mean, the Nazis persecute the Jews, and when the war is over, it is the Arabs who get the shaft?!

What sense does that make?!

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jowex said:

im kinda happy it happened... i hate arabs!!! im from israel and as u know we hate them and they hate us - they bomb themself in someplaces in israel - kills alot israelis.
when i watched my bro playes et i saw ppl in the world hate the arabs 2: they rape women and kill other ppl.

im not so happy it happened cuz im not so evil but i want them to get hurt (not alot just lil).

And Jowex, you will stop using that kind of speech here.

No hate, no sex, no computer cheats -- those are, in short, the Terms Of Service (TOS) of this forum.

If you can't comply with the TOS, your posting priviledges will be removed.

This is non-debatable.

[konrad]

JoWeX don't forget to make a difference with kamikaze and arabs, you hate them ? so you hate lot of French, lot of English, lot of Amercians and all muslim people in the world who are more intelligent and nice than you...
I think you don't understand the topic, it speaks about earthquake not about kamikaze...It's not a reason to say "I hate all" when a minority is idiot...I think there's at least one israeli who is very idiot, I'll never say "all isreali" are idiots...

[ScArFaCe]

oh man...dont be so bad at each other...

Let me guess: another topic in which you landed in parachute, huh? Nope, you started this topic! So, perhaps you just don't understand the logic and the arguments being used?!

[soldier]

well its shokin in it

[JoWeX]

first - arabs do kamikaz
second - i will stop saying hate and using things like this.
i didnt said it about all arabs, i meant only the arabs who kamikaz.
and flying i wont leave my home for this. there is the army (and israel's army is one of the best in the world) and it will be very stupid to move near the arabs and get killed (because almost every body that are moving near the arabs are getting killed) and say "i was doing this to protect my country" - it will be very stupid to get killed for that reason.

and flying we, the israelis are really angry about this: the arabs are showing the world videos that shows israelis that killing arabs.
first they show to u the same video alot of times.
second they kill much more israelis than you can only think, in this morning newspaper it was writen that arabs were going to an israeli road and killed 4 israelis!!! and its happening almost every day and sometimes its much more that "4 ppl was killed".

u think the arabs are very good because there are much more arabs in the world and because they give you the kerosene for you to shut up, and if u wont shut up they wont give you kerosene.
beside: y the holocaust happened? y ? i will tell u y - because the world hates jewish, sometimes because they are a very good business men, and second because u dont like our religion, and dont tell me im wrong because i leaned it in history and im living this life.

and the israelis wont move country because the United Nations Organization gave this land to the jewishes and we wont leave it cuz we own it, and because we are jewishes we want to live here, it our land from the bible, here ibrahim lived, here Moses lived, and its the land god gave us and we want to get this land.

i know the brits were saving us and we are very thank you, but every starting nation needs help.
didnt you read about the first americans which were neede france help, now they r thank france but it was over now they are an empire and they live their own life without owing something to france.

and if you are a christian and you belive in Jesus and you should belive in the bible, it was writen there that the the jewis nation owns this land.

and we are not the next nazis that kills arabs, you dont see it but the arabs arent so miserable, those palastins came to us from Egypt and Jordan and Egypt and Jordan dont want them back, so now we have them and we want them to have thier own country near israel and than they will leave us alone. but no, they want us to give them our land (that some of them israelis bought) and let them live, i think its not fair because we bought some of those land, some of them we get from the United Nations Organization and some of them we conquered in wars that they started because they wanted to kill us.

this is wat make any sense.


JoWeX.

[JoWeX]

o and konrad:
i only said im lil happy it happened because they kill us alot so there is a time they will get killed to.
you all started say im a bad person that i hate all arabs when i said i hate only the bad arabs who kill us!.
and just for you to know i dont say you stupid i only say that israelis are one of the smartest nations in the world.
you can see it now and you can see it in the history.
i dont say i hate you all i say i hate the arabs who kill us.

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jowex said:

beside: y the holocaust happened? y ? i will tell u y - because the world hates jewish, sometimes because they are a very good business men, and second because u dont like our religion, and dont tell me im wrong because i leaned it in history and im living this life.

Well Jowex, you obviously have a very biased history teacher, which will do you no good if you want to take history as a subject further. I'm telling you are wrong, I'm fecking informing you that what just came out your mouth was a load of pish!!...(sorry if my language is bad, this just really got to me)...

To start off, let me get this little fact into your head, Jowex, "the world" does not let me repeat, does not hate Jewish people...it was fecking HITLER....

Let me tell you this Jowex, no-one hate Jewish people because they are "good business men"...i'll tell you something, I've seen Jewish hobos on the streets of Glasgow (and before you say an Arab tried to fly him to the moon and he landed there, don't that was his own fault ending up there)...Jowex, no-one gives a flying pig in the business world if your Arab, Jewish, Christian, Turkish, whatever!....BUT if your a business man making alot ofmoney, you will be targeted by other companies to make a profit together or they will try take your custom...

Jowex, don't try say "you don't like our religion"...i go round to my friends house (I'm not Jewish) and celebrate passover with her, and her family, so tell me if i really hate the Jewish religion, why they feck am i doing that?...

I'll tell you jowex, why the Holocaust happened, because HITLER (that's a key word to the Holocaust Jowex) did not like the Jewish religion, and he believed that they were in-superior in the triangle of life....and Jowex, your not the only one targeted in the Holocaust, old, sick, disabled were all targeted too...HITLER believed that only blond haired blue-eyed people were perfect...

So Jowex, i have written this long post to explain to you exactly the facts (which i did not need to do!)...and to give you this piece of advice...Jowex if your really "living this life" then i suggest you find out from your relatives exactly what it was like during the Holocaust, and i suggest you stop whining and stereotyping everyone else into HITLER and realise that, there are good people in the world, who will/have become to dislike you as a person (not your race) because of your comments on this topic...which is now defiantly off topic...oh sorry Jowex, this post must prove i hate Jewish people, don't ever make silly accusations like that about me or my clan mates again, or you will have a heap of trouble to deal with, OK?

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jowex said:

o and konrad:
i only said im lil happy it happened because they kill us alot so there is a time they will get killed to.
you all started say im a bad person that i hate all arabs when i said i hate only the bad arabs who kill us!.
and just for you to know i dont say you stupid i only say that israelis are one of the smartest nations in the world.
you can see it now and you can see it in the history.
i dont say i hate you all i say i hate the arabs who kill us.

Let me remind you of one post jowex...

"im kinda happy it happened... i hate arabs!!! im from israel and as u know we hate them and they hate us - they bomb themself in someplaces in israel - kills alot israelis.
when i watched my bro playes et i saw ppl in the world hate the arabs 2: they rape women and kill other ppl.

im not so happy it happened cuz im not so evil but i want them to get hurt (not alot just lil)."....

So you like children, elderly people being killed..hmm okies, well jowex, to keep this short, your showing signs like HITLER did towards one race, your race Jowex, but this time towards arabs.

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So jowex, this makes you a "lil bit happy" ...

Every morning, Abdul Gafoor buries his grief and treks three hours along a treacherous mountain path to a relief camp in Tangdar in Indian-administered Kashmir, in the hope of getting a roof for his home.

The 8 October earthquake destroyed his house and killed his three-year-old daughter, six-month-old son and 18-year-old sister.

Mr Gafoor has not simply found time to grieve as he sets out from his devastated village of Bahadurkot to the army camp in Chhamkot to search for a roof to protect his wife and parents after spending freezing nights out in the open.


The people here are angry with the local administration - the army is still their only lifeline
Sheikh Shah Nawaz
Relief volunteer
He waits all day in the cold, hoping for a tent - so far there has been no tent in sight, though he's managed to get four blankets and some tea.

"I haven't slept for the past week. I've lost my house, children and have no utensils, water, fire, nothing at all.

"There's no hope and dignity left in my life. I am just asking for a tent," he says.

Angry

Some distance away, civilian volunteers work feverishly to distribute provisions including lanterns, torches, oil, rice, blankets and utensils to a horde of exhausted people from the upper reaches of Tangdar who wait forlornly for help.

There is a minister camping in the area hemmed in by breathtaking snow-capped ridges, but very little government aid is in sight.

Villagers wait for relief in Indian-administered Kashmir
For many the wait is long and often unsuccessful
"The people here are angry with the local administration. The army is still their only lifeline. Shelter is still a major problem," says a young relief volunteer Sheikh Shah Nawaz, who trekked to reach affected villages.

More than a week after the quake devastated a cluster of 42 villages nestling in the pine and fur-capped mountains of Tangdar, 45km (28 miles) away from Pakistan-administered Kashmir, the idyllic lives of its 52,000 local residents - mostly farmers and nomads - has been shattered.

A total of 250 villagers perished in the quake in Tangdar, one of the worst affected areas.

The Indian army also lost 22 soldiers. Things were so bad that the army had to run 78 helicopter sorties out of nine improvised helipads to evacuate 272 injured people to the nearest hospitals.

An estimated 30% of the stone-and-mud homes have been ground to dust. Another 35% have become dangerous and uninhabitable.

Neglected

The road link to Tithwal, the closest village to the Line of Control - the de facto border in the disputed region - is still blocked by land slips and its 2,500 villagers are still trudging miles in bone-chilling cold for hours to pick up whatever relief they can lay their hands on.

Bridge damaged in Tangdar
Tangdar is in danger of being cut off
Tithwal was once a flourishing and bustling town on the old Silk Route - the 1919 census describes it as an 'urban centre'- and since independence has been virtually next door to Pakistan.

Now it is in danger of being forgotten totally.

Away from much of the media spotlight, Tangdar still remains largely neglected by the relief givers - many are simply loathe to do the seven- to eight-hour back-breaking journey through rain and icy mountain roads to reach it.

For the first few days after the quake, there was no sign of the civil administration and civilian relief volunteers ignored the area in favour of the more accessible Uri where the media had camped in hordes.

The Indian army ran the only relief and rescue operation supplying food, water and airlifting and treating the injured.

Villagers in Tangdar
Survivors face their worst winter ever
When the relief brigade descended on Tangdar, they also brought with them shampoo, lipstick, soap, cotton saris and blouses.

"I need blankets, tents, warm clothes, hot food for the people. That is what we need most," says a senior local army officer, Brigadier SS Jog.

Waiting for relief

Clearly, there isn't enough of that yet - relief volunteers are hurling bags of rice from trucks to the angry, shivering survivors and speeding away.

So more than a week after the quake, five-year-old Salma has to trudge over rocks for two hours from Tithwal to Chamankot to pick up some relief. After waiting for two days she has not received any.

All day long, villagers are negotiating the avalanche-prone area - there are an estimated 73 sites prone to avalanche here - and risking lives for relief.

But the supplies are simply not enough and survivors of Tangdar are facing their worst winter ever.

[ScArFaCe]

yes shes absolutly right!jowex stop postin this shit thats racism!the world is one unit we need each other to survive!

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scarface said:

yes shes absolutly right!jowex stop postin this shit thats racism!the world is one unit we need each other to survive!

Exactly scar, i could not have put it better myself!

[ScArFaCe]

no no i have to thank you!you gave me the....how do you say....maybe gwk knows what i wanna say...its something like "denkanstoss"....sry dunno what its called...but thx cheesy^^

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scarface said:

no no i have to thank you!you gave me the....how do you say....maybe gwk knows what i wanna say...its something like "denkanstoss"....sry dunno what its called...but thx cheesy^^

Well i asked dark (danke dark ) and i'm always happy to help someone on their trail of thought

[ScArFaCe]

yay!thx dark...YOURE THE MAN
trail of thought...ok

[JoWeX]

so y did the naziz did the holocaust? cuz they want the world to survive?
and im saying again: i dont want arabs that didnt do anything to israel to die.
i want the arabs which hurt israel get hurt, not alot but iwant them to get wat is the feeling when ur nation is getting hurt

and u all r not from a starter country, you dont know how i and the other israelis are feeling so dont judge us without know wat u taking about.

[JoWeX1]

and if u want to say again only hitler hate the jewishes:
the other countries could help the jewishes 2 years b4 they started help us!!! but no they didnt want to help us because they didnt care if 6 milions of jewishes will die.

and cheescake u heard about some arabs families but u dont hear about the jewishes families and belive me there r much more israelis that are lliving like this.

look i know u r very angry about me but:
first i cant explain myself so good so u cant understand me.
and second there are things u dont know about wat is happening here.
and the arabs always give the other countries videos that shows how bad we are : they are showing u the same video we saw it to.
and u dont know how i feel when almost every night im watching TV and hearing about families from ur nation that are geting killed by arabs. u dont know!!!

im really sry we have to talk about things like this.

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jowex said:

so y did the naziz did the holocaust? cuz they want the world to survive?
and im saying again: i dont want arabs that didnt do anything to israel to die.
i want the arabs which hurt israel get hurt, not alot but iwant them to get wat is the feeling when ur nation is getting hurt

and u all r not from a starter country, you dont know how i and the other israelis are feeling so dont judge us without know wat u taking about.

HA HA ;D i don't know what i'm talking about huh?...oooohh jowex, you know bog all about me, for all you know i could be an Arab, and for all you know i could be American, just because i live in Scotland does not mean i am Scottish, but lucky for you i am...but unlucky for you, i know EXACTLY what you are talking about, if not more, and your biaest attitude and arrgonace show a lot about your imaturity, and narrow mind...

Jowex, let me give you a few FACTS ....

"The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is by no means a simple two-sided conflict with all Israelis (or even all Israeli Jews) sharing one point of view and all Palestinians another. In both communities, there are individuals and groups who advocate total territorial removal of the other community, those who advocate a two-state solution, and those who advocate a binational solution of a single secular state encompassing present-day Israel and the Gaza strip and the West Bank."

want some more...okies ! ...

"People who sympathize with Palestinians tend to view the conflict as an illegitimate military occupation of Palestine, supported with military and diplomatic assistance from the U.S. Many tend to view the armed Palestinian resistance within the West Bank and Gaza Strip as a right granted by the Geneva conventions and the United Nations Charter, and some extend this view to justify attacks, frequently against civilians, within Israel proper."

"Those sympathetic to Israel tend to view the conflict as a campaign of terrorism perpetrated by Palestinian groups such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and others, and supported by other states in the region and the majority of the Palestinians. Many tend to believe that the control of part or all of the territory is necessary for the security of Israel. This sharp contrast of views on the nature of the conflict has been a key obstacle to resolution."

"One current peace proposal is the Road map for peace presented by the Quartet of the European Union, Russia, the United Nations and the United States on September 17, 2002. Israel has also accepted the road map but with 14 "reservations". Israel is currently implementing a controversial disengagement plan proposed by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. According to plans submitted to the United States, Israel has stated that it will remove its entire "permanent ... civilian and military presence" in the Gaza Strip, (namely 21 Jewish settlements there, and four in the West Bank), but will "supervise and guard the external envelope on land, will maintain exclusive control in the air space of Gaza, and will continue to conduct military activities in the sea space of the Gaza Strip." The Israeli government argues that "as a result, there will be no basis for the claim that the Gaza Strip is occupied territory", while others argue that, should the disengagement happen, the only effect would be that Israel "would be permitted to complete the wall [that is, the Israeli West Bank Barrier] and to maintain the situation in the West Bank as is""

"With the unilateral disengagement plan, the Israeli government's stated intent is to allow Palestinians to create a homeland with minimal Israeli interference while extricating Israel from a situation it believes to be too costly and strategically unsound to maintain over the long run. Many Israelis, including a significant portion of Sharon's own Likud Party are worried that the lack of Israeli military presence in the Gaza Strip will lead to an increase in suicide attacks on Israel. A specific concern is that Palestinian militant groups such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or the PFLP may emerge from the power vacuum of a post-disengagement Gaza as the political powers in the Gaza Strip."

That is the facts Jowex, no doubt about it !! And for your information, most nazis were brainwashed by hitler, and some were just pure evil, and actually YES they done the holoucast, because they wanted the "perfect" world to survive!!...so there Jowex, there is no argument in it, and i have spent a long time posting in this subject!

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JoWeX1 said:

and if u want to say again only hitler hate the jewishes:
the other countries could help the jewishes 2 years b4 they started help us!!! but no they didnt want to help us because they didnt care if 6 milions of jewishes will die.

and cheescake u heard about some arabs families but u dont hear about the jewishes families and belive me there r much more israelis that are lliving like this.

look i know u r very angry about me but:
first i cant explain myself so good so u cant understand me.
and second there are things u dont know about wat is happening here.
and the arabs always give the other countries videos that shows how bad we are : they are showing u the same video we saw it to.
and u dont know how i feel when almost every night im watching TV and hearing about families from ur nation that are geting killed by arabs. u dont know!!!

im really sry we have to talk about things like this.

Oh oh, everyone hear that, all the speaches (around 10hours of them) that cheesy has done over the years about the efect of the holocuast on the Jewish comminuity, means i don't care about it, and the fact that during the war, my actually family helped and housed fleeing jewish people, means they diddn't care? ...oh Jowex, you just made the biggest mistake insulting me!! ...

Oh and i would not understand would i not now? i'll tell you something, i'm a lot more inteligant than you may think, and take it from me, you silly little boy, don't ever assume anything about me, because i assure you, you are far from correct!

So go on Jowex, enlighten me, prove me wrong, show me that i'm less inteligant than an ant, go on !

And i'm very sorry for the other who have to read this, Jowex comments put us right off topic, and i'm sorry for this debate to be on the forum like this, we like to keep the forum nice and plesant, but i will not be insulted like that!

[JoWeX]

ok im very sry i was insulting u
i didnt know ur family helped jewish
but u know there was alot of families that told the nazis where there r jewish or family that didnt care about us.
i didnt mean the family that helped the jewish, i meant the family which didnt like jewish.
im very sry